WHEEL TAX BEYOND DEBATE: (From the Muncie Star Press   Since the local press has taken a silent seat regarding the Wheel Tax,  Goliath thought he would bring in some voices from other Indiana Counties facing the same dad blasted dilemma. StarPress wrote:

Nobody likes to pay taxes, especially one that is collected when buying already expensive license plates for cars and trucks, but at just $25 a year for a car, this fee is reasonable and affordable. It’s the only source of revenue restricted to buying asphalt and other materials for road repair and construction.

Last year, Muncie and the county each received roughly $1 million. The tax helped pave about 32 miles of road in the county, and 30 miles in the city. It’s helped fill the gap as local road and street funds, generated by a tax on gasoline, have fallen over the years.

There’s also another compelling reason to have a wheel tax: The state is strongly encouraging counties to enact one if they want to share in state money for transportation projects. All East Central Indiana counties except Blackford have a wheel tax.

Goliath also offers this here:

If your municipality is considering implementation of this fee, several factors should be considered. The benefits of such a fee include the fact that it represents both a reliable and predictable revenue source. Based upon existing statistics, a city in the State of Wisconsin with a population of approximately 5,000 with a $10 per vehicle wheel tax will result in approximately $50,000 each year. For a larger city of approximately 35,000 to 40,000, revenues generally range from $270,000 to $275,000, and for a city of approximately 60,000, it may result in revenues of $500,000 to $600,000 per year. In Illinois, the City of Chicago anticipates collecting $116M during this fiscal year. Cook County, Illinois, has budgeted $2M for its wheel tax, which is collected from vehicles registered in unincorporated areas.

Arguments against the implementation of a wheel tax include the political ramifications that can result from additional fees being imposed upon its citizens. In addition, it has been argued that the tax punishes local residents since suburban residents utilizing city streets are not required to pay the tax. In the state of Wisconsin, the wheel tax does not apply to heavy trucks, some of which may cause a disproportionate level of deterioration of roads. And last, once a local government adopts the ordinance and begins to rely upon this dependable revenue source, it becomes difficult to move away from, much like an annuity that is eventually seen as a necessity.

When considering implementation of the wheel tax, finance officers and the governing body should consider many of the factors described above to evaluate the overall impact this capital-related revenue source can have on their government.  ARTICLE:

Goliath see that there has been an ATTEMPT to discuss the Wheel Tax over on the CCC . Unfortunately,  it pretty much devolves into the following thoughts: A. Kevin Vissing: “We hate You Since you are a POLITICIAN”  B. WHEEL TAX=BAD Get your hands out my pockets!!! THis here  a REGRESSIVE TAX on the POOR and DOWNTRODDEN. And C. Kevin and Kelly Khuri and Greg Fifer actually trying to get some sensible things said…at least for support for their point of view.

Goliath probably messed up and He apologize in advance if Goliath got you wrong. Tina, Matt and HT just make my eyeballs roll back into viewing necrotic braintissue glaze with their predictable ranting about TAX IS BAD.  Yeah.. Tax is Bad …Goliath agrees. but Dumb moves in 2007 messed up the County …as they told us ..FOR YEARS. What you gonna do?  Would you like to fix that pot hole Mr. School Bus Driver?

So, for now, until somebody convince me different…Goliath will say what needs to be said. GO AHEAD AN PASS A DAD BLASTED WHEEL TAX. ~~

(Note: Diane Lane got nothing whatsoever to do with this here debate but Goliath MUST have something to inspire him to write. Goliath believes Diane Lane is in favor of the wheel tax.)

30 comments for “Is the WHEEL TAX a GOOD MOVE?

  1. 'Hood
    May 1, 2013 at 4:11 am

    Diane Lane talks about her 18th birthday on “The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson” in 1983.

  2. 'Hood
    May 1, 2013 at 4:11 am

  3. 'hood
    May 1, 2013 at 4:17 am

    Colleen Farrington (born August 12, 1936 in Davisboro, Georgia[5]) is an American model and nightclub singer.[6][7] She is the mother of Academy Award-nominated actress Diane Lane. She was also Playboy magazine’s Playmate of the Month for its October 1957 issue. Her pictorial was photographed by Peter Basch.

  4. 'Hood
    May 1, 2013 at 4:20 am

  5. Lono, Curse of
    May 1, 2013 at 11:40 am

    Diane Observer posted on the GAW Chat:
    She was hot but seemed pretty stuck up. Did Goliath know Ms. Lane when she was 18?
    I heard that Pesty introduced them
    at a Derby Party!

    • May 1, 2013 at 12:04 pm

      A couple years ago, GNB’s Russian Desk Correspondent was seated next to Ms. Lane and (then husband) Mr. Brolin. Ms. Lane looking fantastic as usual and with ‘red’ hair which had a jaunty short cut style. Russian Desk asked where she got her hair done…..”This is crazy….but actually, I cut it myself”.

  6. Lono, Curse of
    May 1, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    Curmudgeon posted on the CCC:
    As for the procedure for a COIT Council to take official action, IC 6-3.5-6-4 reads:

    “(a) A member of the county income tax council may exercise its votes by passing a resolution and transmitting the resolution to the auditor of the county. However, in the case of an ordinance to impose, rescind, increase, decrease, or freeze the county rate of the county option income tax, the member must transmit the resolution to the county auditor by the appropriate time described in section 8, 9, 10, or 11 of this chapter. The form of a resolution is as follows:

    ‘The __________ (name of civil taxing unit’s fiscal body) casts its ___ votes ___ (for or against) the proposed ordinance of the __________ County Income Tax Council, which reads as follows:’.

    (b) A resolution passed by a member of the county income tax council exercises all votes of the member on the proposed ordinance, and those votes may not be changed during the year.”

    And IC 6-3.5-6-5 reads:

    “Any member of a county income tax council may present an ordinance for passage. To do so, the member must pass a resolution to propose the ordinance to the county income tax council and distribute a copy of the proposed ordinance to the auditor of the county. The auditor of the county shall treat any proposed ordinance presented to the auditor under this section as a casting of all that member’s votes in favor of that proposed ordinance. Subject to the limitations of section 6 of this chapter, the auditor of the county shall deliver copies of a proposed ordinance the auditor receives to all members of the county income tax council within ten (10) days after receipt. Once a member receives a proposed ordinance from the auditor of the county, the member shall vote on it within thirty (30) days after receipt.”

  7. Lono, Curse of
    May 1, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    TinAcious posted on the CCC:
    “So which local councils would be willing to put this up for a vote? I want to get a head start on making sure they lose any re-election races.

    I’ll be sure to scream from the roof tops, raise funds for a billboard, etc to make sure citizens know that if not for the racketeering going on with TIF crap, those towns and cities roads would not be deteriorating.

    Just a warning to any politician stupid enough to attempt this: you WILL be my target #1 and I don’t care which party!”

  8. Lono, Curse of
    May 1, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    Kevin posted on the CCC in reference
    to the threat
    from Tinacious:
    “You sure are full of yourself.”

  9. Lono, Curse of
    May 1, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    Let me see if i understand this.
    The “TinAcious” person is posting political threats
    on the CCC that she will PERSONALLY defeat
    defeat ANYONE on any council in Clark County who votes to support the wheel tax?

    TinAcious: “So which local councils would be willing to put this up for a vote? I want to get a head start on making sure they lose any re-election races.”

    …”Just a warning to any politician stupid enough to attempt this: you WILL be my target #1″…..

    Ha! That is some delusional ego problem!
    Counseling might be needed…..

  10. Southern Belle
    May 1, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    I have a thought.
    As the wheel tax is “egalitarian”
    and paid uniformly by all who
    license a vehicle that uses the roads
    and it will help to REDUCE
    the massive spending problem
    of Clark County government,
    is it not a good idea?
    It will REDDUCE a proportinal amount
    of the taxes seized via regressive real estate taxes.
    All pay it who licence a vehicle,
    even illegal aliens
    and those receiving public assistance as well.

  11. Southern Belle
    May 1, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    TinAcious posted
    on the CCC:
    …..”…”Just a warning to any politician stupid enough to attempt this: you WILL be my target #1″…..

    Sooooo, if this TinAcious is such a bad dog politician to be feared just sooooo much
    and is just soooo powerful
    and sooo motivated to “do the right thing”,
    why would she not file suit to block the next coming mandate by Clark County government to seize yet more tax money from the plebs?
    She could, as a payer of real estate taxes
    file and intercede to block the planned mandations!
    How about it?
    The estimate for this year’s coming mandations
    are anywhere from an additional $3.4 to $5.2 million
    extra taken from the property taxpayers.
    Go get ’em there, Tinacious!

  12. Southern Belle
    May 1, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    The wise Oracle
    estimated that the mandations
    won by county level elected government officials
    for 2011 pay 2012 for “EXTRA money for them”,
    reduced the City of Jeffersonville’s
    tax amount by around $650,000 for 2012.
    If the “county” mandates again this year
    for up to $5,200,000,
    the city will be reduced again.
    These mandations reduce the amount
    of tax money that would have gone
    to ALL other taxing entities in the county.
    Wouldn’t it be expedient
    by a person IF they were really concerned
    to oppose those mandates
    by hiring a lawyer and going to court to stop them?
    This includes Clarksville, Greater Clark, West Clark, etc.
    an even larger amount will be seized from Jeffersonville tax payers.

  13. Southern Belle
    May 1, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    Has any “elected official”
    or “power broker”
    like TenAcious
    spoken out publicly
    against these mandates/seizures?
    or as an elected body?
    Their constuents are robbed
    and they are left with less
    of the tax pie.
    Mike Moore should be all over this.
    The CURRENT elected officials
    on the Jefferonville City Council
    should be all over this.
    Whee are thet?
    Where is TenAcious?

  14. Southern Belle
    May 1, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    Also, the Clark County Council is now controlled by a Republican majority, 4-3.
    The Clark County Commissioners
    are now controlled by the Republicans, 2-1.
    The ability to block the mandates
    is in the Republicans’ court!
    Also, the rumor is that TinAcious
    was the capable campaign manager
    for one of the successfully
    elected republicans.

    the ball is definitely in YOUR court
    to get results!
    Have you asked the county council members publicly
    if they will OPPOSE in court any attempted mandates?
    the taxpayers are counting on you to step up!

    Will you file and ontrcede against the mandates?
    The egalitarian wheel tax
    can only solve part of the problem. t
    The rest of the “shortfall” is still out there.

  15. Southern Belle
    May 1, 2013 at 1:05 pm


  16. Lono, Curse of
    May 1, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    GNB breaking news!
    Political rumors
    out of the jeffersonville City hall
    are discussing that
    “a group of political activists”
    are announcing that a new PAC
    is being formed
    to influence the 2015 Jeffersonville city elections.
    city counclu slots.
    They will focus on the races
    for mayor and the council!

  17. Lono, curse of
    May 1, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    Breaking news!
    The wiley GNB stringerS,
    who have real sneaky sources,
    say that the mayor’s race
    will be hotly contested
    in both primaries!
    And, ALL of the incumbent city council persons
    will get opposition!

  18. Lono, Curse of
    May 1, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    GNB political Desk
    the GNB stringers are hearing that two candidates for mayor, the incumbent and a newcomer democrat challenger will be well funded.
    The emergence of this new PAC
    really puts the currentl city council
    under pressure to “hold the line”
    on spending and overall government costs.

    • Southern Belle
      May 1, 2013 at 1:48 pm

      By the way,
      a courthouse sage
      just emailed me
      and said that
      Kevin got re-elected
      VERY easily
      and he only spent $20!
      Dang, that boy is cheap!

  19. "Hood
    May 1, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    to the G and his impressive corporate
    1% news gathering organization!
    Not only has the ccc been called out to near
    “war proportions”,
    but the depth of info and news is impressive!
    For you “low information voters”
    in Yorba Linda,
    just re-read and these ask
    some of your friends.
    Enjoy the GAW News Bureau!
    ‘Toons rock!

  20. Lono, Curse of
    May 1, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    Tinacious posted on the ccc:
    “I’ll also say again
    , I feel strongly the wheel tax would not be remotely necessary if the county was getting the taxes they should from the local TIF areas.”

  21. Lono, Curse of
    May 1, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    Curmudgeon repied to the powerful T:

    “This is not correct. Assuming that all governing units budget at their maximum levy limit (i.e., the prior year approved budget plus State approved growth factor), the diversion of TIF dollars into the respective general funds would reduce the tax rate that is paid by all taxpayers in the unit, but if the TIF districts were eliminated it would not result in additional $$$ being collected and available to spend (either on capital projects like road improvements or otherwise). The State simply does not permit a unit to collect funds above its maximum levy except with DLGF approval for a limited number of reasons (e.g., to fund increased costs from an annexation). This is why the County will never be able to “grow” its way out of the financial distress that resulted from the voluntary reduction of its maximum levy in 2008.”

  22. Lono, Curse of
    May 1, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    Hoosier Taxpayer posted on the CCC:

    “Why should the taxpayers be forced to pay for the incompetence of Clark Co. politicians and government ? They got us into this mess let them learn to cutback, do with out just like families do every day”…..

  23. Lono, Curse of
    May 1, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    County commission: Republicans by 2-1.
    County council: Republicans by 4-3.
    City of Jeffersonville; Republican mayor.
    Republican council by 6-3!
    Can thye “Hold that line!”

  24. Southern Belle
    May 1, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    GSL, about that PD budget…
    Are we getting that extra, urgently needed $150,000
    or what?……

  25. Lono, Curse of
    May 1, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    OK,Ok, Ok…..all this tax ans spend hagling is tiring.
    Time out.
    Sing and dance!
    Sabrina is hot!

  26. Lono, Curse of
    May 1, 2013 at 2:37 pm

  27. Lono, Curse of
    May 1, 2013 at 2:54 pm

  28. Lono, Curse of
    May 2, 2013 at 3:16 am

    kevin posted on the CCC:
    “Greg…great posts! We have a choice here. Either raise the wheel tax which is a fare and equitable tax that even, drug dealers will have to pay, or raise property taxes, which will hurt schools, libraries, cities, towns with less funds next year because Clark County is coming up short this year.

    I chose the wheel tax. My plan was to ask for a interlocal agreement for the cities and towns to forgo next years wheel tax money and send it back to the county. We would borrow against half of it to use about 1.2 million to “back” out the bridge tax which is needed to repair bridges. That would give us 1.2 million towards our general budget. Brian Lenfert thinks this would solve this years shorfall. I believe the shortfall will be more. I was the only one the didn’t vote for the budget for that reason.
    Maybe I won’t vote for the potential mandate or lawsuit from the jail, since I want to do it this way.

    That would force some on the council to have to vote for the mandate, lawsuit that likely disagree with any solution.”

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